1 00:00:00,740 --> 00:00:04,300 thanks for jumping on the office 2 00:00:04,300 --> 00:00:06,710 hours of the commercial item group of D 3 00:00:06,710 --> 00:00:10,230 C M A . De AU is happy to be supporting 4 00:00:10,230 --> 00:00:12,610 this initiative . And I'm going to 5 00:00:12,620 --> 00:00:15,160 introduce to you Corey , Corey , say 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,820 hello Over to you quarry over to 7 00:00:18,820 --> 00:00:22,620 you . Perfect . Hey , So 8 00:00:22,630 --> 00:00:24,920 good afternoon . I wanted to start off 9 00:00:24,930 --> 00:00:28,420 by giving a huge thank you to de au for 10 00:00:28,420 --> 00:00:31,560 hosting this first ever virtual 11 00:00:31,570 --> 00:00:34,220 industry event and a huge thank you to 12 00:00:34,220 --> 00:00:37,230 everybody who's joined . I'd also like 13 00:00:37,230 --> 00:00:39,850 to ask that if you are not speaking , 14 00:00:39,850 --> 00:00:42,390 please put your computer and other 15 00:00:42,390 --> 00:00:45,880 devices on Newt . Um , if you have a 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,370 question , you can click the chat 17 00:00:48,370 --> 00:00:50,592 button in the bottom right hand side of 18 00:00:50,592 --> 00:00:53,440 your screen . Um , and we ask that you 19 00:00:53,450 --> 00:00:56,040 type that question down into the chat 20 00:00:56,050 --> 00:00:59,080 and then throughout the conversation 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,024 for this hour , we'll answer those 22 00:01:01,024 --> 00:01:03,540 questions as we go along . So , um , I 23 00:01:03,550 --> 00:01:05,717 also want to mention to everybody that 24 00:01:05,717 --> 00:01:08,110 the sessions being recorded and the 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,370 recording will be shared on our public 26 00:01:10,380 --> 00:01:13,940 website as well as in the beta dot sam 27 00:01:13,940 --> 00:01:17,600 posting . So , um , just for your 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,822 knowledge , we have a limited amount of 29 00:01:19,822 --> 00:01:21,878 content that we're gonna push and we 30 00:01:21,878 --> 00:01:24,044 want to ensure that there's ample time 31 00:01:24,044 --> 00:01:26,100 in this forum for industry questions 32 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:28,156 and answers . So I'll point out that 33 00:01:28,156 --> 00:01:29,950 our team will not be answering 34 00:01:29,950 --> 00:01:32,120 questions specific to a current 35 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,160 acquisition , a current case or a 36 00:01:35,170 --> 00:01:37,670 submittal . Um , but we want to answer 37 00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:39,670 some put general questions that you 38 00:01:39,670 --> 00:01:41,460 guys may have , so we encourage 39 00:01:41,470 --> 00:01:44,370 everyone again . Thio , use the chat 40 00:01:44,370 --> 00:01:46,980 box to answer or I'm sorry to ask your 41 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:49,760 questions . So just really quick before 42 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,871 we get started , I'm going to provide 43 00:01:51,871 --> 00:01:53,927 you guys with some background on the 44 00:01:53,927 --> 00:01:56,149 commercial item group . We're a team of 45 00:01:56,149 --> 00:01:58,260 cost price analysts and engineers who 46 00:01:58,260 --> 00:02:00,220 focus on providing support to 47 00:02:00,220 --> 00:02:02,040 government buying commands for 48 00:02:02,050 --> 00:02:04,570 commercial procurement . Um , we 49 00:02:04,570 --> 00:02:06,237 currently have to warrant and 50 00:02:06,237 --> 00:02:07,980 contracting officers who offer 51 00:02:07,980 --> 00:02:10,080 commercial items determinations for 52 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,410 requesting government agencies , and 53 00:02:12,410 --> 00:02:14,360 now we're providing that same 54 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,830 opportunity to industry . The CIGS 55 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,050 overall mission is to provide 56 00:02:20,050 --> 00:02:23,060 commercial acquisition insight for the 57 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:25,227 integration of commercial products and 58 00:02:25,227 --> 00:02:27,130 services into the D . O . D . To 59 00:02:27,130 --> 00:02:29,019 streamline procurement and ensure 60 00:02:29,019 --> 00:02:30,908 warfighters received cutting edge 61 00:02:30,908 --> 00:02:32,908 technology at a fair and reasonable 62 00:02:32,908 --> 00:02:35,360 price . So with that , the D . C . M , 63 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,740 a commercial commercial commercial item 64 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:39,796 group , has implemented the industry 65 00:02:39,796 --> 00:02:41,570 requests initiative to review 66 00:02:41,570 --> 00:02:43,920 commercial items from industry ahead of 67 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,770 the government's need . So your panel 68 00:02:46,770 --> 00:02:48,992 today is going to include the following 69 00:02:48,992 --> 00:02:52,060 Patrick Chrisler , Mike Whalen's 70 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,670 Ryan Canal and myself , Cory Marietta . 71 00:02:56,140 --> 00:02:58,690 We are all , uh , commercial item group 72 00:02:58,690 --> 00:03:01,920 supervisors leading a team of almost 60 73 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:04,870 cost price analysts and engineers . And 74 00:03:04,870 --> 00:03:06,981 with that , I'm going to turn it over 75 00:03:06,981 --> 00:03:09,092 to Patrick Chrisler , who's taken the 76 00:03:09,092 --> 00:03:10,814 lead on this industry requests 77 00:03:10,814 --> 00:03:12,926 initiative . The Patrick sell yours . 78 00:03:13,140 --> 00:03:15,390 Great . Thanks a lot , Corey . So I 79 00:03:15,390 --> 00:03:17,880 wanna welcome everyone to the to the 80 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,650 day . Uh , I'm assuming everyone can 81 00:03:20,650 --> 00:03:23,920 hear me now . Um , but , uh , 82 00:03:23,930 --> 00:03:27,750 wanna welcome everyone . This is our 83 00:03:27,750 --> 00:03:30,990 second , uh , phase of this 84 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,890 industry requests effort . We did an 85 00:03:34,890 --> 00:03:37,660 initial run earlier in the year , and 86 00:03:37,660 --> 00:03:39,870 we focused mainly on non traditional 87 00:03:39,870 --> 00:03:42,510 contractors , those folks who typically 88 00:03:42,510 --> 00:03:46,330 do not provide product or services 89 00:03:46,330 --> 00:03:48,360 to the Department of Defense . This 90 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,930 time around , we went with both 91 00:03:50,940 --> 00:03:52,662 nontraditional and traditional 92 00:03:52,662 --> 00:03:54,496 contractors , but we focused our 93 00:03:54,496 --> 00:03:58,340 efforts or focusing this or if I on a 94 00:03:58,340 --> 00:04:02,080 specific set of product categories such 95 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,858 as space systems , unmanned and 96 00:04:03,858 --> 00:04:05,730 autonomous systems , energy and 97 00:04:05,730 --> 00:04:07,970 materials ruggedized in high performing 98 00:04:07,970 --> 00:04:10,330 computer components , high energy , 99 00:04:10,330 --> 00:04:12,710 long cycle life batteries , engines , 100 00:04:12,710 --> 00:04:16,010 and I am use . I know that almost seems 101 00:04:16,010 --> 00:04:18,240 like the kitchen sink , but there's a 102 00:04:18,250 --> 00:04:21,560 ton of other other product areas that 103 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,504 are out there . And we chose these 104 00:04:23,504 --> 00:04:25,590 because these are are specific focus 105 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:28,680 areas of the Department of Defense on 106 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,440 have been , uh , uh , researched 107 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,560 and looked at , uh , across multiple 108 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,390 platforms . So just to 109 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:41,723 give you a couple of a couple of things , 110 00:04:41,723 --> 00:04:44,550 what we're looking for is , uh , this 111 00:04:45,140 --> 00:04:48,000 this r f I is open through February 112 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,240 19th . Uh , there's no rush to get a 113 00:04:51,250 --> 00:04:53,540 package in if you If you have something 114 00:04:53,540 --> 00:04:56,650 that you want to submit , I want you to 115 00:04:56,660 --> 00:05:00,560 make sure that you are checking to 116 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,671 see what are the various requirements 117 00:05:02,671 --> 00:05:05,020 for a package of middle . Those are 118 00:05:05,020 --> 00:05:08,470 listed on the sam dot gov notice 119 00:05:08,940 --> 00:05:12,140 there's a couple of attachments to the 120 00:05:12,150 --> 00:05:15,960 notice . One of those is a listing of 121 00:05:16,340 --> 00:05:19,190 document requirements . One of the 122 00:05:19,190 --> 00:05:21,490 things that we found from the first 123 00:05:21,490 --> 00:05:23,712 time we did this is that a lot of folks 124 00:05:23,940 --> 00:05:26,600 we're not presenting or we're not 125 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,210 giving some of the material or some of 126 00:05:30,210 --> 00:05:33,400 the data that was needed for us to do a 127 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,850 proper analysis of the of the item . 128 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:39,520 So , uh , a couple of things , just 129 00:05:39,530 --> 00:05:43,520 just a emphasize is we 130 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,298 need to have detailed technical 131 00:05:45,298 --> 00:05:47,464 information , not just the part number 132 00:05:47,464 --> 00:05:49,930 and the nomenclature we need to have Ah , 133 00:05:49,940 --> 00:05:53,560 side by side , uh , 134 00:05:53,570 --> 00:05:56,520 comparison between an actual commercial 135 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,180 item and then your item so that we can 136 00:05:59,190 --> 00:06:02,500 do a proper analysis 137 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:05,050 between , uh , commercial items and 138 00:06:05,050 --> 00:06:07,820 your item . And we need thio . See what ? 139 00:06:07,820 --> 00:06:09,820 Those what the non governmental and 140 00:06:09,820 --> 00:06:12,700 uses who The end years there is . And 141 00:06:12,700 --> 00:06:14,820 and that's one of the reasons why we 142 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:18,430 asked for , uh , unredacted 143 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,170 invoices for these or unredacted offers 144 00:06:22,540 --> 00:06:26,520 that you may have with with non 145 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,820 governmental customers . Uh , these , 146 00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:32,550 uh , that commercial item 147 00:06:32,550 --> 00:06:36,060 determinations are , ah , 148 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,640 basically a determination that your 149 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,070 product meets the far definition of 150 00:06:41,070 --> 00:06:43,920 what a commercial item is , which may 151 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,142 be something that you may or may not be 152 00:06:46,142 --> 00:06:49,710 familiar with . The far 2.1 , a one 153 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,890 has a listing of eight definitions , uh , 154 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:55,630 two of which are for services , but the 155 00:06:55,630 --> 00:06:58,660 other six deal with products themselves . 156 00:06:59,540 --> 00:07:02,460 So I would I would definitely , uh , 157 00:07:02,470 --> 00:07:04,700 suggests that you take a look at it . 158 00:07:04,710 --> 00:07:08,520 Uh , there are in the attachments 159 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,700 to the notice There are the 160 00:07:11,710 --> 00:07:13,610 documents in there , and in the 161 00:07:13,610 --> 00:07:16,990 documentation it lists briefly what 162 00:07:16,990 --> 00:07:20,540 those definitions are s so that you 163 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:23,610 can , uh , once you know what your what ? 164 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:25,666 You think your product falls under . 165 00:07:25,666 --> 00:07:28,690 You can identify that for us . We will 166 00:07:28,690 --> 00:07:30,746 look at all of the definitions if it 167 00:07:30,746 --> 00:07:32,990 does not fit the one that you feel that 168 00:07:32,990 --> 00:07:36,560 it meets . So , um , 169 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,896 let's see what it looks like . We've 170 00:07:39,896 --> 00:07:42,007 got some questions coming through the 171 00:07:42,007 --> 00:07:44,650 chat . So the first one came from Brian . 172 00:07:45,140 --> 00:07:47,196 Um , and I'm gonna turn this over to 173 00:07:47,196 --> 00:07:49,307 you , Patrick . But the question is , 174 00:07:49,307 --> 00:07:51,529 is this for contractors that want their 175 00:07:51,529 --> 00:07:53,529 products determined commercial ? Or 176 00:07:53,529 --> 00:07:55,251 could a contractor who wants a 177 00:07:55,251 --> 00:07:57,670 subcontractors product determined 178 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,800 submit a request ? All right , good 179 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,660 questions . So one of the things that , 180 00:08:03,670 --> 00:08:05,960 uh , one of the things that we want to 181 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,010 make sure that we do here or with this 182 00:08:09,010 --> 00:08:11,010 particular orifices , we wanna make 183 00:08:11,010 --> 00:08:13,232 sure that we're not looking at anything 184 00:08:13,232 --> 00:08:15,399 that's currently being procured by the 185 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:17,940 Department of Defense . That being said , 186 00:08:17,950 --> 00:08:21,670 you can submit your own product 187 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,600 for determination , or you could if you 188 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,822 have a subcontractor that you typically 189 00:08:27,822 --> 00:08:30,300 use on you have . They have a product 190 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:32,467 that you think it meets . A commercial 191 00:08:32,467 --> 00:08:34,411 definition that can be submitted a 192 00:08:34,411 --> 00:08:36,270 swell , as long as you have the 193 00:08:36,270 --> 00:08:38,437 information , the data that goes along 194 00:08:38,437 --> 00:08:42,360 with that . All 195 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,471 right . Great . And we've got another 196 00:08:44,471 --> 00:08:47,660 question here . Um , did I cut ? I 197 00:08:47,660 --> 00:08:49,549 didn't mean to cut someone off to 198 00:08:49,549 --> 00:08:51,660 preserve . That was that was that was 199 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:53,716 just made Korea . I just looked over 200 00:08:53,716 --> 00:08:55,604 and I saw the commercial services 201 00:08:55,604 --> 00:08:57,520 question . Okay . Yeah , the next 202 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:59,687 question . Will commercial services be 203 00:08:59,687 --> 00:09:01,687 considered as part of this effort ? 204 00:09:01,687 --> 00:09:04,660 Yeah . So commercial services are not a 205 00:09:04,660 --> 00:09:07,640 part of this effort . Uh , currently , 206 00:09:07,650 --> 00:09:09,870 every now and then we will get a part 207 00:09:09,870 --> 00:09:12,290 that comes in that that has a 208 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:14,401 commercial service that's intertwined 209 00:09:14,401 --> 00:09:17,290 with the product in some way . In which 210 00:09:17,290 --> 00:09:19,570 case , then we that might be part of 211 00:09:19,570 --> 00:09:21,940 our analysis that we that we look at , 212 00:09:21,950 --> 00:09:23,950 But typically what we're looking at 213 00:09:23,950 --> 00:09:26,440 here are products on Lee during this , 214 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,290 or if I and , uh , and for 215 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:32,300 further down the road , we might we 216 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:34,467 might open it up to services as well . 217 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,062 All right . Great . And we have another 218 00:09:39,062 --> 00:09:41,284 question from Patrick . Can you provide 219 00:09:41,284 --> 00:09:43,507 us with the checklist that the big uses 220 00:09:43,507 --> 00:09:46,280 when reviewing assertions , I'm gonna 221 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,058 turn that over to Mike Whalen . 222 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,700 Yeah , gets into , ah , question that I 223 00:09:52,700 --> 00:09:54,922 just wanted toe touch on regarding kind 224 00:09:54,922 --> 00:09:58,100 of what goes behind the decision . We 225 00:09:58,100 --> 00:10:00,100 have a whole lot of content that we 226 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:03,770 created in order to air in support of 227 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:06,350 the first industry days . And it really 228 00:10:06,350 --> 00:10:08,350 is a lot of good content that talks 229 00:10:08,350 --> 00:10:10,720 about , um , what's going into our 230 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,720 decisions ? Some of the information 231 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,260 that really helps drive a good package , 232 00:10:15,540 --> 00:10:19,400 Um , and so I can show ah , our screen 233 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,930 share our public facing page , and it 234 00:10:21,930 --> 00:10:25,770 may be a good way of showing people . 235 00:10:26,140 --> 00:10:28,251 Um , you know where some of this good 236 00:10:28,251 --> 00:10:30,610 information resides ? Uh , certainly we 237 00:10:30,610 --> 00:10:33,570 can , uh , answer questions regarding 238 00:10:33,570 --> 00:10:36,850 how c I g reviews items on 239 00:10:36,850 --> 00:10:39,850 services and how we operate . But the 240 00:10:39,850 --> 00:10:43,000 reality is the Department of Defense is 241 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,010 quite large , and everyone kind of 242 00:10:45,010 --> 00:10:47,810 operates under a different way . Um , 243 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:50,300 so I can speak thio how our group 244 00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:53,600 reviews information . Um , but the 245 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,990 reality is there maybe PCOs that that 246 00:10:56,990 --> 00:10:59,560 have , um , slightly different 247 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:01,530 requirements , or look at things a 248 00:11:01,530 --> 00:11:03,752 little bit differently . But within the 249 00:11:03,752 --> 00:11:06,300 commercial item group , uh , generally , 250 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:09,480 the engineers are on the the technical 251 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,620 review . And really look at the 252 00:11:11,620 --> 00:11:14,130 commerciality piece with industry 253 00:11:14,130 --> 00:11:16,074 request . We are getting our price 254 00:11:16,074 --> 00:11:18,241 costs . Analysts involved as well with 255 00:11:18,241 --> 00:11:20,297 the anticipation that will have ah , 256 00:11:20,297 --> 00:11:23,230 whole lot of requests coming in on 257 00:11:23,230 --> 00:11:26,050 drily for commerciality . Patrick hit 258 00:11:26,050 --> 00:11:28,350 on it . Really ? Well , um , you know , 259 00:11:28,350 --> 00:11:30,730 we're really looking for technical 260 00:11:30,730 --> 00:11:33,310 information . Good comparisons . Not 261 00:11:33,310 --> 00:11:35,477 only of the part that you're proposing 262 00:11:35,477 --> 00:11:37,477 as commercial , but also , uh , the 263 00:11:37,477 --> 00:11:39,840 comparable part that may draw that good 264 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,330 comparison And in the package . We're 265 00:11:42,330 --> 00:11:44,620 really looking for the contractors to 266 00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:46,490 tell the story and provide the 267 00:11:46,490 --> 00:11:48,900 information for us to make the best 268 00:11:48,910 --> 00:11:51,200 decision possible based on the far 269 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,450 regulations . Uh , in far , 2.11 for 270 00:11:54,450 --> 00:11:57,740 commercial item definition . Um , I 271 00:11:57,750 --> 00:11:59,917 believe I probably got off on a little 272 00:11:59,917 --> 00:12:02,083 bit of a tangent . Ryan , do you wanna 273 00:12:02,083 --> 00:12:04,139 just do the quick screen share right 274 00:12:04,139 --> 00:12:07,950 now ? Yeah . It should be free . Okay . 275 00:12:07,950 --> 00:12:09,894 I just wanted to just take a quick 276 00:12:09,894 --> 00:12:12,117 second to show our public facing page . 277 00:12:12,117 --> 00:12:14,172 I know some of you maybe were on the 278 00:12:14,172 --> 00:12:16,520 industry days meeting back in February , 279 00:12:16,530 --> 00:12:19,960 which seems like forever ago . Um , but 280 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,530 for people that maybe not familiar with 281 00:12:22,530 --> 00:12:24,910 the commercial item group page . You 282 00:12:24,910 --> 00:12:26,910 can access it super easy . You can 283 00:12:26,910 --> 00:12:30,410 either Google decent make mercy I t on 284 00:12:30,410 --> 00:12:33,480 its the first link . Or you could go to 285 00:12:33,490 --> 00:12:36,990 D c m a dot mil back slash commercial 286 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,770 dash item dash group , Uh , and that 287 00:12:40,770 --> 00:12:43,110 will bring you to this page . And the 288 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,842 things that I really wanted to 289 00:12:44,842 --> 00:12:47,064 highlight are under this . What's new ? 290 00:12:47,064 --> 00:12:49,430 Uh , if you're familiar with the sam or 291 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:52,340 beta dot sam dot gov link , then you 292 00:12:52,340 --> 00:12:54,480 probably already , uh , don't 293 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,647 necessarily need this link . If you're 294 00:12:56,647 --> 00:12:58,850 not familiar , you condone basically , 295 00:12:58,850 --> 00:13:01,350 copy this link and it will bring you to , 296 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,150 um , what Patrick was referring to for 297 00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:06,640 our industry request , then also just 298 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,770 wanted to highlight the d . C m a dot 299 00:13:09,770 --> 00:13:12,630 Boston email address . This is where 300 00:13:12,630 --> 00:13:14,741 you can ask questions or to make your 301 00:13:14,741 --> 00:13:17,240 package in support of these industry 302 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,630 requests . Um , if you go down a little 303 00:13:19,630 --> 00:13:22,500 bit further , there's a commercial item 304 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:25,790 database . Now , right now , our public 305 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,450 facing database is on the left , and 306 00:13:29,450 --> 00:13:32,160 that's where you may be ableto look up 307 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,550 in . Item on did use some of the 308 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:36,717 information , although I will say it's 309 00:13:36,717 --> 00:13:39,410 currently being evaluated and getting a 310 00:13:39,410 --> 00:13:41,700 little bit of a facelift . We're hoping 311 00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:44,220 that we have something out in February 312 00:13:44,220 --> 00:13:46,387 March time frame . That's a little bit 313 00:13:46,387 --> 00:13:49,010 better of a product . Um , so that's 314 00:13:49,010 --> 00:13:51,740 kind of under renovation . Uh , 315 00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:53,972 commercial item database that's used by 316 00:13:53,972 --> 00:13:57,500 within the D . O . D is currently only 317 00:13:57,510 --> 00:14:01,510 accessible by D . O D uh , employees . 318 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,560 So industry is not gonna be able to 319 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:06,080 access that piece , then also under 320 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,247 sharing information . There's a lot of 321 00:14:08,247 --> 00:14:10,247 good information . Frequently asked 322 00:14:10,247 --> 00:14:12,210 questions . Um , just wanted to 323 00:14:12,210 --> 00:14:14,377 highlight what I was referring to with 324 00:14:14,377 --> 00:14:16,570 the Industry Day slide . It's the 325 00:14:16,570 --> 00:14:19,510 fourth bullet down . I highly encourage 326 00:14:19,510 --> 00:14:22,030 you to click on that on Go through some 327 00:14:22,030 --> 00:14:24,252 of the information . It has things like 328 00:14:24,252 --> 00:14:26,710 how contractors can improve their 329 00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:28,488 packages . A lot of really good 330 00:14:28,488 --> 00:14:30,780 information that D . C . Make 331 00:14:30,780 --> 00:14:32,724 commercial item group presented to 332 00:14:32,724 --> 00:14:35,030 industry already . Um , certainly go 333 00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:36,974 through that . And if you have any 334 00:14:36,974 --> 00:14:39,680 questions , we can answer those , um , 335 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,624 and it also highlights some of the 336 00:14:41,624 --> 00:14:43,847 industry questions that we got from our 337 00:14:43,847 --> 00:14:46,069 original industry days and provides the 338 00:14:46,069 --> 00:14:48,069 C . I . G s answer to some of those 339 00:14:48,069 --> 00:14:50,291 questions so encourage you toe click on 340 00:14:50,291 --> 00:14:52,640 some of those documents and pour 341 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,870 through that information we also have 342 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,170 under additional resource is wanted to 343 00:14:59,170 --> 00:15:01,670 highlight the commercial acquisition 344 00:15:01,670 --> 00:15:03,837 resource page . So we partnered with D 345 00:15:03,837 --> 00:15:06,000 eau and went through all the 346 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,890 definitions and kind of the nuances and 347 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:11,490 some of the information that that c I g 348 00:15:11,490 --> 00:15:15,200 really looks for based on the far 349 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,190 2.11 definition that the contractor is 350 00:15:18,190 --> 00:15:20,630 asserting , Uh , it has some other 351 00:15:20,630 --> 00:15:23,770 information in there . The deep path 352 00:15:23,770 --> 00:15:26,650 commercial handbook . Um , but I would 353 00:15:26,650 --> 00:15:29,150 say the big one is that commercial 354 00:15:29,150 --> 00:15:31,430 acquisition resource page , the d A . 355 00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:33,150 You collaborated on with us ? 356 00:15:35,140 --> 00:15:37,251 Yeah . So , Mike , I'd like to caveat 357 00:15:37,251 --> 00:15:39,362 off of what you just said , Patrick , 358 00:15:39,362 --> 00:15:41,584 in reference to your question about the 359 00:15:41,584 --> 00:15:44,650 checklist if you access the commercial 360 00:15:44,650 --> 00:15:47,900 acquisition resource page there , um 361 00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:51,700 and you can actually see an example of 362 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:55,530 a completed Sid based on 363 00:15:55,540 --> 00:15:57,890 the definition that you're asserting 364 00:15:57,890 --> 00:16:00,950 commercial ity . So it it'll show you 365 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,950 by header each step by step . What 366 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,960 information needs to be included in 367 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,060 each section ? Um , I'll throw in as 368 00:16:09,060 --> 00:16:11,520 well that under the d . C . M . A 369 00:16:11,530 --> 00:16:14,000 internal resource is I'm not sure if 370 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,850 those were publicly accessible . Um , 371 00:16:16,860 --> 00:16:18,693 but either way , that commercial 372 00:16:18,693 --> 00:16:20,860 acquisition resource page . It'll show 373 00:16:20,860 --> 00:16:22,971 you sort of step by step based on the 374 00:16:22,971 --> 00:16:24,749 definition that you're starting 375 00:16:24,749 --> 00:16:26,916 commercial . What needs to be included 376 00:16:26,916 --> 00:16:30,240 in your package ? Yeah . Thanks , Corey . 377 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,520 Yeah , we don't have necessarily a set 378 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,190 checklist that every engineer or price 379 00:16:35,190 --> 00:16:37,412 cost analyst goes through , but that is 380 00:16:37,412 --> 00:16:39,523 probably the closest thing that we do 381 00:16:39,523 --> 00:16:41,412 have . Um that may be of value to 382 00:16:41,412 --> 00:16:41,160 industry . 383 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:47,762 All right , so I'm gonna go back to the 384 00:16:47,762 --> 00:16:49,929 chat box , and it looks like we have a 385 00:16:49,929 --> 00:16:52,110 question from Meghan . Um , will there 386 00:16:52,110 --> 00:16:54,570 be a minimum price for a product that 387 00:16:54,570 --> 00:16:58,560 is to be determined ? So I believe the 388 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,727 question you're asking is , will there 389 00:17:00,727 --> 00:17:02,782 be a minimum price for products that 390 00:17:02,782 --> 00:17:05,130 we're reviewing for commercial ity 391 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:07,890 under this , uh , sam dot gov 392 00:17:07,890 --> 00:17:11,630 initiative ? Yeah . So for for this 393 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,862 this particular initiative , what we're 394 00:17:13,862 --> 00:17:15,696 looking for is we're looking for 395 00:17:15,696 --> 00:17:18,670 something that isa going to exceed the 396 00:17:18,670 --> 00:17:22,310 Tina threshold . Uh , not product 397 00:17:22,310 --> 00:17:25,610 wise , per se , but extended product . 398 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:28,510 Why ? So it's if , let's say in the 399 00:17:28,510 --> 00:17:31,350 next five years , you plan on selling 400 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,380 100 units of this product to the 401 00:17:35,380 --> 00:17:38,950 government and those 100 units over the 402 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,738 five years will exceed the Tina 403 00:17:40,738 --> 00:17:44,140 Threshold . We will take a look at that . 404 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:46,680 That product eso the product itself 405 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,600 does not need Thio particularly exceed 406 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,767 the Tina threshold . But they extended 407 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,390 Ah Price , I'll say of the 408 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,456 of the product needs Thio exceed the 409 00:17:58,456 --> 00:17:59,456 Tina threshold . 410 00:18:03,940 --> 00:18:06,600 All right , The next question we have 411 00:18:06,610 --> 00:18:09,530 comes from Jim . Does that include 412 00:18:09,540 --> 00:18:12,270 products that around the G s a schedule ? 413 00:18:14,340 --> 00:18:16,900 So I've got a couple of things to say 414 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:18,844 on this year . So if you do have a 415 00:18:18,844 --> 00:18:21,011 product that's on the G s a schedule G 416 00:18:21,011 --> 00:18:23,330 s A , I believe sometimes will issue a 417 00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:25,710 determination on a particular product 418 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,110 or they may have further information in 419 00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:33,040 their in their data banks that they 420 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,490 can provide us or you , 421 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:39,490 uh , to provide us thio do a 422 00:18:39,490 --> 00:18:41,601 determination on your product if it's 423 00:18:41,601 --> 00:18:43,601 on the G s A schedule . Ah , lot of 424 00:18:43,601 --> 00:18:46,750 times that makes it I'll say easier or 425 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,440 mawr , uh , more efficient to be able 426 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,820 to do a analysis of those products that 427 00:18:53,820 --> 00:18:55,830 are on the G s A schedule , but not 428 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:57,608 everything that is on the G s A 429 00:18:57,608 --> 00:19:01,450 schedule . Uh , I'll say , 430 00:19:01,460 --> 00:19:04,800 uh has had a determination done on it 431 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,910 before . So just because it's on the G 432 00:19:07,910 --> 00:19:10,160 s a scheduled does not mean that it has 433 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,490 been determined commercial , but 434 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:17,420 it should make our analysis mawr 435 00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:20,080 efficient . Uh , if if it is , if you 436 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,080 do have something that's on there , 437 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,151 All right , The next question we have 438 00:19:30,151 --> 00:19:33,250 comes from speed . So what extent can 439 00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:36,200 contractors rely on the existing DCM ? 440 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,970 A database for Sid Justifications ? 441 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:47,970 So I e I'm hoping that I 442 00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:50,430 can maybe answer this . Um , so 443 00:19:50,430 --> 00:19:53,300 currently , we have two databases . We 444 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:56,390 have the excel repository . Um , that 445 00:19:56,390 --> 00:20:00,090 shows since 2016 , all of the items or 446 00:20:00,090 --> 00:20:01,923 services that we've reviewed for 447 00:20:01,923 --> 00:20:05,830 commercial ity . Um , unfortunately , 448 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,460 on the public faith thing Excel 449 00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:10,293 repository , it doesn't have the 450 00:20:10,293 --> 00:20:13,850 results of those reviews . So it just 451 00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:15,794 shows evidence that we've actually 452 00:20:15,794 --> 00:20:18,910 reviewed them . Um , we have a deal . 453 00:20:18,910 --> 00:20:22,480 The only , um , the database that was 454 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,720 recently established that shows the 455 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,190 actual government says that have been 456 00:20:28,190 --> 00:20:31,480 completed by either the buying commands 457 00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:35,350 or by the big contracting officers . So 458 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,290 the data that's in both of those 459 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:43,130 databases is accurate , and it it's 460 00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:46,940 reliable . Um , if you 461 00:20:46,940 --> 00:20:50,360 have a part or service that shows on 462 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:53,860 the excel repository that's public 463 00:20:53,860 --> 00:20:57,010 facing and you're working specifically 464 00:20:57,010 --> 00:20:59,288 with a buying commander with an office . 465 00:20:59,288 --> 00:21:01,810 You would I would highly recommend that 466 00:21:01,810 --> 00:21:05,000 you suggest the buying command request 467 00:21:05,010 --> 00:21:07,350 that information from us it'll have the 468 00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:10,270 historical technical reviews , um , 469 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:12,214 commercial item determinations and 470 00:21:12,214 --> 00:21:14,270 already price reasonableness reviews 471 00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:16,570 that are offices has , um , conducted . 472 00:21:17,740 --> 00:21:20,600 I hope that I'm asking or I hope that 473 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,767 I'm answering the question correctly . 474 00:21:22,767 --> 00:21:24,989 If you if you have any more , you could 475 00:21:24,989 --> 00:21:27,211 send me a private message on here . And 476 00:21:27,211 --> 00:21:28,489 I could expand on that 477 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,780 Patrick Mike Ryan . Anything else ? 478 00:21:35,140 --> 00:21:37,196 Yeah . I mean , I would I would just 479 00:21:37,196 --> 00:21:39,418 say that that if you have had a product 480 00:21:39,418 --> 00:21:43,150 that has previously , uh , 481 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,610 been reviewed before , uh , it should 482 00:21:46,610 --> 00:21:49,270 have received a determination of some 483 00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:52,590 sort . Uh , you know , either from us 484 00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:54,646 or from the PCO that you worked with 485 00:21:54,646 --> 00:21:57,600 previously on DSO I would definitely 486 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,970 contact that PCO first before 487 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,320 um uh , going any further on 488 00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:05,760 that , 489 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,110 I'll just add quickly . So the thought 490 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:15,277 process and I'll say maybe even future 491 00:22:15,277 --> 00:22:17,100 regulation will require ah , 492 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:19,510 contracting officer to take their c i d . 493 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,810 Put it in the d o D database . So at 494 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:23,866 some point in the future of the idea 495 00:22:23,866 --> 00:22:25,699 would be that this databases all 496 00:22:25,699 --> 00:22:27,921 inclusive of all PCOS determinations of 497 00:22:27,921 --> 00:22:30,380 commerciality . Um , so that if your 498 00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:32,390 particular item has been determined 499 00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:34,390 commercial by contracting officer , 500 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,040 unless someone a particular kind of 501 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,040 phone , I don't think there'll be a 502 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:38,570 need for you . Toe , you know , happen 503 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:40,737 to submit for this particular are if I 504 00:22:40,737 --> 00:22:42,870 I think the way for me to get that 505 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,351 specific c i d upload in the database 506 00:22:45,351 --> 00:22:47,351 because once it's in the database , 507 00:22:47,351 --> 00:22:50,780 other contracting off E thing , 508 00:22:51,340 --> 00:22:53,520 Do you know their acquisition strategy 509 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,131 for their particular award ? 510 00:23:02,140 --> 00:23:04,200 All right , we'll move on . Next 511 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,540 question is from Mars is selling to a 512 00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:09,540 prime with the d . O . D . Contract 513 00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:11,707 considered selling to the government . 514 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,880 So in regards to this are , if I hear , 515 00:23:22,940 --> 00:23:26,530 I would say yes , selling to a 516 00:23:26,530 --> 00:23:28,660 prime with the duty contract . If you 517 00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:32,020 are providing a product to the prime to 518 00:23:32,020 --> 00:23:34,710 then provide to the government , then 519 00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:37,960 yes , that would be , um however , if 520 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,016 you are not currently providing that 521 00:23:40,016 --> 00:23:42,810 product to the prime in support of a d 522 00:23:42,810 --> 00:23:46,420 o d contract effort , uh , 523 00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:50,020 then it is good to go for 524 00:23:50,020 --> 00:23:53,950 submitting a package for here . Um , 525 00:23:55,140 --> 00:23:57,830 and if you have a specific question on 526 00:23:57,830 --> 00:24:01,640 a specific situation That may seem kind 527 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,990 of fuzzy to you . Uh , shoot an email 528 00:24:04,990 --> 00:24:08,620 to the inbox , Uh , and we'll try and 529 00:24:08,620 --> 00:24:11,360 address it specifically later . 530 00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:17,940 All right , Next question is coming 531 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:21,060 from Steve . Do existing says need to 532 00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:23,280 be resubmitted under this ? Are if I 533 00:24:29,540 --> 00:24:32,000 If you have an existing Sid right now , 534 00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:35,050 uh , determination , then , uh , you're 535 00:24:35,050 --> 00:24:37,680 good to go as far as determination wise . 536 00:24:37,690 --> 00:24:41,270 Uh , a further submittal on the exact 537 00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:43,381 product that you have a determination 538 00:24:43,381 --> 00:24:46,260 on already would be superfluous . 539 00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:50,970 E think it would be important to 540 00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:53,050 clarify , I guess the question . 541 00:24:53,060 --> 00:24:55,650 Because if everyone remembers from 542 00:24:55,650 --> 00:24:57,872 industry days , um , there was a little 543 00:24:57,872 --> 00:25:00,480 bit of confusion regarding commercial 544 00:25:00,490 --> 00:25:03,580 item determinations that were signed by 545 00:25:03,580 --> 00:25:07,370 a p , c O and sid that the prime . 546 00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:10,490 So we probably need some additional 547 00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:13,910 clarification . Um , if it was a c i d 548 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,820 signed by a d o d p c o . Then you're 549 00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:19,540 good to go . If it was a prime C i d . 550 00:25:19,550 --> 00:25:22,280 Um , it may be wise to submit 551 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,280 very good point , Mike . So , in the 552 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,260 eyes of the government , the Onley 553 00:25:31,340 --> 00:25:33,920 valid commercializing determination is 554 00:25:33,930 --> 00:25:36,270 signed by a representative from the 555 00:25:36,270 --> 00:25:37,270 government 556 00:25:42,740 --> 00:25:44,684 all right . And we've got one more 557 00:25:44,684 --> 00:25:46,851 question from Steve . What will be the 558 00:25:46,851 --> 00:25:49,040 end game with the sid packages 559 00:25:49,050 --> 00:25:51,540 submitted under the RFP ? Patrick , do 560 00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:53,096 you want to take that one ? 561 00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:58,740 Uh , I think I think I almost need a 562 00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:01,120 little further clarification on what 563 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,480 the question is asking . Here s so 564 00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:06,900 basically the end game for the sit 565 00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:09,290 packages submitted under the SARB , I 566 00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:11,800 would hopefully be a positive 567 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,070 determination for your product . Um , 568 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,340 and after that , you 569 00:26:19,340 --> 00:26:22,070 would receive the determination letter , 570 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,140 and you could use that for any future 571 00:26:26,140 --> 00:26:28,270 submittal that you may have with the 572 00:26:28,270 --> 00:26:32,230 government when you are , um , pursuing 573 00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:33,180 a procurement . 574 00:26:37,540 --> 00:26:39,970 Patrick , let me expand upon that a bit . 575 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,773 I had planned to talk about this anyway , 576 00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:46,370 so it's a good segue , So just the why , 577 00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:48,703 like the value prop , right ? Like when ? 578 00:26:48,703 --> 00:26:50,814 When we first talked about doing this 579 00:26:50,814 --> 00:26:52,926 pilot , I had a few friends reach out 580 00:26:52,926 --> 00:26:55,148 and just say , What is this like , What 581 00:26:55,148 --> 00:26:57,314 are you doing ? What are you trying to 582 00:26:57,314 --> 00:26:59,370 buy , right ? Why , right ? All that 583 00:26:59,370 --> 00:26:59,230 stuff , right ? Why would Why would we 584 00:26:59,230 --> 00:27:01,560 do this right ? And we have toe , um , 585 00:27:01,570 --> 00:27:03,737 take a step back and look at it . from 586 00:27:03,737 --> 00:27:05,959 an industry perspective as well . And , 587 00:27:05,959 --> 00:27:07,959 you know , we understand that we're 588 00:27:07,959 --> 00:27:09,737 asking , you know , you to make 589 00:27:09,737 --> 00:27:11,792 business decisions , to put proposal 590 00:27:11,792 --> 00:27:13,737 packages together , and that costs 591 00:27:13,737 --> 00:27:15,990 money , and there's no award at the end 592 00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:18,046 of it , right ? So we really have to 593 00:27:18,046 --> 00:27:21,610 help you all understand why , right ? 594 00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:24,420 And so you know , from the industry 595 00:27:24,420 --> 00:27:26,531 perspective for those you know , that 596 00:27:26,531 --> 00:27:28,642 might not be as knowledgeable when it 597 00:27:28,642 --> 00:27:30,864 comes to far as others . Where it's for 598 00:27:30,864 --> 00:27:33,690 part 12 . Is this reduction of barriers 599 00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:36,170 to entry type contract authority , 600 00:27:36,540 --> 00:27:38,660 where you basically are exempt from 601 00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:40,680 certified cost of pricing data and 602 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,958 there's no defective pricing liability , 603 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,050 right ? So less closets , right ? 604 00:27:45,050 --> 00:27:47,161 There's less flow down closet right ? 605 00:27:47,161 --> 00:27:49,383 And even easier to that . If it's under 606 00:27:49,383 --> 00:27:52,190 7.5 million , you can even use for 13 . 607 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,867 If it's commercial , which is 608 00:27:53,867 --> 00:27:56,033 simplified acquisition procedures even 609 00:27:56,033 --> 00:27:58,367 easier , right ? Less barriers to entry , 610 00:27:58,367 --> 00:28:00,580 right , so so wide . Now , when we're 611 00:28:00,580 --> 00:28:02,990 not actually having an acquisition in 612 00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:05,860 the thought process here was that this 613 00:28:05,860 --> 00:28:08,160 process and granted , our team 614 00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:10,460 typically looks at the gray area . 615 00:28:10,460 --> 00:28:12,404 We're not looking at a lot of cots 616 00:28:12,404 --> 00:28:14,460 items , right ? We're looking at the 617 00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:16,682 things that kind of difficult to decide 618 00:28:16,682 --> 00:28:16,610 if they are commercial or aren't . But 619 00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:19,290 it takes us about 40 days to make that 620 00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:21,522 decision , and we're doing it right now 621 00:28:21,522 --> 00:28:23,244 in an acquisition in an active 622 00:28:23,244 --> 00:28:25,356 acquisition . They're waiting for our 623 00:28:25,356 --> 00:28:27,244 answer so they could go ahead and 624 00:28:27,244 --> 00:28:29,244 negotiate , put on contract and get 625 00:28:29,244 --> 00:28:31,578 products and services to the warfighter . 626 00:28:31,578 --> 00:28:33,744 Alright , so that's 40 days of pulse , 627 00:28:33,744 --> 00:28:35,689 right ? And so we're talking about 628 00:28:35,689 --> 00:28:37,633 taking that process and completely 629 00:28:37,633 --> 00:28:39,800 taking it out of the acquisition cycle 630 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,744 completely right , because there's 631 00:28:41,744 --> 00:28:43,800 nothing that says we can't . So this 632 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,370 pilot or this idea is to take this back 633 00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:48,203 and forth is a commercial or not 634 00:28:48,203 --> 00:28:50,148 decision . Do it in advance of the 635 00:28:50,148 --> 00:28:52,148 acquisition so that when there's an 636 00:28:52,148 --> 00:28:54,320 actual award or pending contract or 637 00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:56,780 upcoming procurement , you all have 638 00:28:56,780 --> 00:28:59,002 this document in hand that says , Hey , 639 00:28:59,002 --> 00:29:01,113 look what I'm selling is commercial . 640 00:29:01,113 --> 00:29:03,113 The government already decided , so 641 00:29:03,113 --> 00:29:05,280 there needs to be no back and forth on 642 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:04,530 that . At that point , Right . 643 00:29:04,530 --> 00:29:07,560 Regulation now allows for contracting 644 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,670 officers to use other contracting 645 00:29:09,670 --> 00:29:12,880 officers of decisions , right and then 646 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,880 think about it from a subcontractor 647 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,950 standpoint , right , right now , 648 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,320 today's environment , the prime is the 649 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,542 one that makes that commercial decision 650 00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:25,540 right ? And often times , uh , there's 651 00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:27,373 back and forth between the prime 652 00:29:27,373 --> 00:29:29,596 minister , you know , is a commercial , 653 00:29:29,596 --> 00:29:31,707 is it not ? Right ? So so rather than 654 00:29:31,707 --> 00:29:33,929 again having that back and forth , this 655 00:29:33,929 --> 00:29:36,151 is an opportunity for the government to 656 00:29:36,151 --> 00:29:36,090 do the review and give you that C i d . 657 00:29:36,090 --> 00:29:38,090 Enhance . The next time you go to a 658 00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:39,923 prime contractor , you have that 659 00:29:39,923 --> 00:29:42,201 document which is precedent setting on . 660 00:29:42,201 --> 00:29:44,423 You no longer need to put together that 661 00:29:44,423 --> 00:29:46,090 big , robust package for each 662 00:29:46,090 --> 00:29:48,368 individual award . Right ? So you know , 663 00:29:48,368 --> 00:29:50,368 And then from our perspective , you 664 00:29:50,368 --> 00:29:52,534 know , doing this in advance were sort 665 00:29:52,534 --> 00:29:54,701 of . We're sort of steering the future 666 00:29:54,701 --> 00:29:56,757 of acquisition strategy , right ? So 667 00:29:56,757 --> 00:29:58,923 we're sort of dictating that these are 668 00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:00,979 the products that that you should be 669 00:30:00,979 --> 00:30:03,090 using a more streamlined commercial 670 00:30:03,090 --> 00:30:05,257 acquisition approach to thes air , the 671 00:30:05,257 --> 00:30:07,368 products that you should be using for 672 00:30:07,368 --> 00:30:09,423 12 or 4 13 to buy . Right . So we're 673 00:30:09,423 --> 00:30:11,080 helping the department shape 674 00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:13,090 acquisition strategy for the things 675 00:30:13,090 --> 00:30:15,790 that really are commercial , and then 676 00:30:15,790 --> 00:30:17,870 just big picture dfd benefits . 677 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:20,570 Commercial acquisitions should 678 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,670 theoretically increase competition , 679 00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:26,562 right ? And and so because there's more 680 00:30:26,562 --> 00:30:28,451 players that can play because the 681 00:30:28,451 --> 00:30:30,618 marketplace is you know has this these 682 00:30:30,618 --> 00:30:32,729 types of technologies , innovations , 683 00:30:32,729 --> 00:30:34,673 whatever it is , um , there's more 684 00:30:34,673 --> 00:30:36,729 opportunities . More companies doing 685 00:30:36,729 --> 00:30:38,784 that type of technology . Right ? So 686 00:30:38,784 --> 00:30:40,784 you're you're inherently increasing 687 00:30:40,784 --> 00:30:42,951 competition , and you're allowing some 688 00:30:42,951 --> 00:30:42,860 of the smaller , nontraditional , more 689 00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:44,749 of an opportunity to play , which 690 00:30:44,749 --> 00:30:46,971 increases the defense industrial base . 691 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,450 All right . Thanks , Ryan . Um , we're 692 00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:57,370 gonna move on to the next question in 693 00:30:57,380 --> 00:31:00,170 the chat room . Um , from Steve are 694 00:31:00,170 --> 00:31:03,000 targeted product areas in the RFP 695 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,770 limited to parts or components , for 696 00:31:05,770 --> 00:31:08,320 example , are integrated satellites or 697 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,660 spacecraft Busses candidates for SIDS , 698 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,490 So Yeah . So for the so the various 699 00:31:17,490 --> 00:31:20,420 targeted product areas . If you if you 700 00:31:20,420 --> 00:31:22,860 look at the r f I in sam dot gov , 701 00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:25,900 it'll it'll give you a little bit mawr 702 00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:29,700 kind of expansion of what ? We're what 703 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,340 we're looking for . But it is not If 704 00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:35,507 you have something that that you think 705 00:31:35,507 --> 00:31:38,770 meets the commercial item definition . 706 00:31:39,340 --> 00:31:42,860 Ah , and it is a spacecraft bus or 707 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:46,060 a satellite or or whatever . 708 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,000 Um , you can submit that that product . 709 00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:53,910 Um and then But like I said , toe , 710 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,680 take a look at the definition and see 711 00:31:56,690 --> 00:32:00,630 and see how how you can , uh , you 712 00:32:00,630 --> 00:32:04,030 know , explain and and show 713 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,040 evidence that it does meet that 714 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,040 definition . 715 00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:13,451 All right , great . The next question 716 00:32:13,451 --> 00:32:15,562 is from Hunter . What are some of the 717 00:32:15,562 --> 00:32:18,100 common reasons for producto fail to 718 00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:20,450 receive a Sid Mike , Do you want to 719 00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:23,670 take that ? Yeah , absolutely . I would 720 00:32:23,670 --> 00:32:27,400 say , Um , sometimes the easy answer 721 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,820 is , uh , when when ? 722 00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:33,300 Ah , contractor has improved . I did 723 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:36,340 enough information . Um , that tends to 724 00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:40,260 be the , uh , challenge because our 725 00:32:40,270 --> 00:32:42,492 engineers and price house analysts were 726 00:32:42,492 --> 00:32:44,492 doing independent market research . 727 00:32:44,492 --> 00:32:46,437 We're trying our best come to that 728 00:32:46,437 --> 00:32:49,000 commercial conclusion , but sometimes 729 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,330 were limited with the information that 730 00:32:51,340 --> 00:32:54,050 is available on the Internet . Eso 731 00:32:54,050 --> 00:32:56,272 We're really looking for contractors to 732 00:32:56,272 --> 00:32:58,383 help answer some of those questions . 733 00:32:58,383 --> 00:33:00,990 And sometimes we still come up shore . 734 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,060 I know sometimes we run into price 735 00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:06,400 costs . Analysts not getting some of 736 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,567 the information that shows the product 737 00:33:08,567 --> 00:33:10,733 was sold or offered for sale . Even if 738 00:33:10,733 --> 00:33:12,789 you know , it could be the part that 739 00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:14,900 we're reviewing or even the part that 740 00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:18,080 it's being compared to , Um , you know , 741 00:33:18,090 --> 00:33:21,720 with with products that would just say 742 00:33:21,730 --> 00:33:23,952 sometimes its technical information and 743 00:33:23,952 --> 00:33:26,480 comparisons , Um , you know , we really 744 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,940 need help bridging that gap , but if 745 00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:31,218 you're comparing items , you know what ? 746 00:33:31,218 --> 00:33:33,440 What is the What are the big difference 747 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,662 is what are the cost drivers associated 748 00:33:35,662 --> 00:33:38,220 with those . It's not to say that you 749 00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:41,040 know something that it's two times more 750 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,207 expensive is gonna be non commercial . 751 00:33:43,207 --> 00:33:45,500 So we're just trying to understand , 752 00:33:45,510 --> 00:33:47,121 really validate some of this 753 00:33:47,121 --> 00:33:49,900 information . Um , I'm trying to think 754 00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:53,130 of other other areas that we've kind of 755 00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:56,400 seen and experience . Um , but really , 756 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,520 I would say the biggest one is just 757 00:33:58,530 --> 00:34:01,690 trying to find information on Sometimes 758 00:34:01,690 --> 00:34:03,700 we come up short and and we're not 759 00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:05,922 gonna , you know , take that risk on is 760 00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:08,050 the government and saying something's 761 00:34:08,050 --> 00:34:10,272 commercial if we haven't validated some 762 00:34:10,272 --> 00:34:13,460 of thes items . So , um , you know , at 763 00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:15,682 the end of the day that that's probably 764 00:34:15,682 --> 00:34:19,430 the biggest one . Um , Patrick , you 765 00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:21,541 have anything to add to that ? I feel 766 00:34:21,541 --> 00:34:24,510 like I'm missing something about why it 767 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,590 fails to receive a Sid . Just some of 768 00:34:27,590 --> 00:34:30,160 the stuff that we kind of commonly see . 769 00:34:30,170 --> 00:34:32,990 Aziz . Why ? Things are 770 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,470 Yeah . I mean , for me , for me , the 771 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,410 big thing is that a lot of times , 772 00:34:40,420 --> 00:34:44,250 uh , contractors or are submitters 773 00:34:44,540 --> 00:34:46,730 will fail to provide the evidence that 774 00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:48,629 it meets the various parts of the 775 00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:51,670 definition . So if you if you sit down 776 00:34:51,670 --> 00:34:54,190 with the definition and you parse out 777 00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:57,090 the various parts of it , uh , you will 778 00:34:57,090 --> 00:35:00,290 find that it's a lot . It's a lot 779 00:35:00,290 --> 00:35:02,960 bigger than it first looks 780 00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:05,470 Eso you have to kind of like step 781 00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:07,581 through it . You have to say , Okay , 782 00:35:07,581 --> 00:35:10,310 it's an item . Uh , it's generally used . 783 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,920 It's for non governmental purposes , 784 00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:15,280 and you just kind of step through the 785 00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:17,620 definition . And as long as you're 786 00:35:17,620 --> 00:35:20,150 providing evidence that shows that it 787 00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:22,490 does meet those various parts of the 788 00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:25,970 definition , you should be good . Um , 789 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,100 and but sometimes they're the evidence 790 00:35:30,110 --> 00:35:33,840 does not show what , uh , you know what 791 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,896 you think it what you think it might 792 00:35:35,896 --> 00:35:38,062 show , But we would ask you about that 793 00:35:38,062 --> 00:35:40,118 if we came upon something that we're 794 00:35:40,118 --> 00:35:42,229 like , Oh , hey , we don't think this 795 00:35:42,229 --> 00:35:44,340 evidence that you've submitted , uh , 796 00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:46,520 you know , shows that it meets this 797 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,687 part of the definition . We'll go back 798 00:35:48,687 --> 00:35:50,909 to you and we'll say , Hey , you know , 799 00:35:50,909 --> 00:35:53,076 this is the type of that . This is the 800 00:35:53,076 --> 00:35:52,850 type of information that we need to 801 00:35:52,850 --> 00:35:56,430 show that it does meet that , um so 802 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,080 so they're definitely definitely there . 803 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,700 Are you know various , you know , 804 00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:03,922 various things . But those air Probably 805 00:36:03,922 --> 00:36:06,670 that the biggest things for me is is , 806 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,350 uh , is not providing that definition 807 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,760 are not providing that evidence , uh , 808 00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:15,170 to show that it meets the definition on 809 00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:17,236 some of it is just , you know , just 810 00:36:17,236 --> 00:36:20,630 the , you know , mere fact that the 811 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,180 various parts were not addressed 812 00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:27,140 adequately . Yeah , you kind 813 00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:29,196 of jogged . My memory is well , when 814 00:36:29,196 --> 00:36:31,251 when you were responding . But , you 815 00:36:31,251 --> 00:36:33,418 know , one of the big definitions that 816 00:36:33,418 --> 00:36:35,680 we come across is , um , paragraph 817 00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:38,023 three in the commercial item definition , 818 00:36:38,023 --> 00:36:40,110 You know , either three i or three 819 00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:42,550 double eyes . So if you're using that , 820 00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:44,852 you know , we really need to understand 821 00:36:44,852 --> 00:36:46,963 what the modifications are . I mean , 822 00:36:46,963 --> 00:36:48,630 if it's three I , and in that 823 00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:50,630 modification is really available to 824 00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:52,519 anybody you know , providing that 825 00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:54,241 evidence and really helping us 826 00:36:54,241 --> 00:36:56,297 understand that really any anybody , 827 00:36:56,297 --> 00:36:58,297 any customer for your company could 828 00:36:58,297 --> 00:37:00,640 potentially have that , uh , their 829 00:37:00,650 --> 00:37:04,580 product modified . And then also three 830 00:37:04,580 --> 00:37:06,802 double I in order minor modification of 831 00:37:06,802 --> 00:37:08,913 the federal government requirements . 832 00:37:08,913 --> 00:37:11,650 We all know that the government federal 833 00:37:11,650 --> 00:37:13,539 government likes to ask for crazy 834 00:37:13,539 --> 00:37:16,090 things , so we understand it . We've 835 00:37:16,090 --> 00:37:18,910 seen that a lot . Um but it's just 836 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,110 again connecting the dots . Helping 837 00:37:21,110 --> 00:37:23,490 tell the story . Answering some of the 838 00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:25,379 questions to help us understand a 839 00:37:25,379 --> 00:37:27,434 little bit better really goes a long 840 00:37:27,434 --> 00:37:30,160 way . Um , in order for us to 841 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,382 understand it and then provide the best 842 00:37:32,382 --> 00:37:33,993 recommendation to our , uh , 843 00:37:33,993 --> 00:37:35,730 contracting officers to make a 844 00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:36,650 determination . 845 00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:43,841 All right , great . We're going to go 846 00:37:43,841 --> 00:37:46,210 to the next question from Gary . Will 847 00:37:46,210 --> 00:37:48,154 government contracting officers be 848 00:37:48,154 --> 00:37:51,160 required to provide contractors and 849 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,710 approval or disapproval of SID packages 850 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,660 submitted by the contractor ? 851 00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:03,042 So will government contracting officers 852 00:38:03,042 --> 00:38:05,650 be required to provide contractors and 853 00:38:05,650 --> 00:38:07,740 approval or disapproval of good 854 00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:09,550 packages by the contractor ? 855 00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:16,930 Corey , I think the questions asking , 856 00:38:16,930 --> 00:38:20,050 Are we gonna basically let people know 857 00:38:20,060 --> 00:38:22,350 if they're if we're gonna approve or 858 00:38:22,350 --> 00:38:25,490 disapprove , essentially a C I D or non 859 00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:28,230 C I D . That's kind of how I read it , 860 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,460 Um , and I guess to answer that 861 00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:32,560 question when we're getting these 862 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,280 packages in , we have somebody that 863 00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:38,710 kind of is doing the intake , and we 864 00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:40,766 have a vetting team that's reviewing 865 00:38:40,766 --> 00:38:42,599 some of the content that's being 866 00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:45,490 provided by the contractor . So based 867 00:38:45,490 --> 00:38:47,601 on the information provided is really 868 00:38:47,601 --> 00:38:50,510 how we're operating in terms of is 869 00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:53,090 there enough there . Based on what we , 870 00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:54,989 I guess , required us faras . The 871 00:38:54,989 --> 00:38:57,211 submittal goes there enough . Their toe 872 00:38:57,211 --> 00:38:59,544 assign an engineer price costs analysts . 873 00:38:59,544 --> 00:39:01,890 Uh , if it is , then it gets a sign . 874 00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:05,280 And the answer is yes . You will hear 875 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,391 back from us whether we go commercial 876 00:39:07,391 --> 00:39:09,870 or noncommercial . And if there are 877 00:39:09,870 --> 00:39:11,981 challenges with the package may be an 878 00:39:11,981 --> 00:39:14,100 important component is missing . I 879 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:15,933 believe , Patrick , that will be 880 00:39:15,933 --> 00:39:18,250 reaching back out to the individual 881 00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:20,306 that submitted it to see if they can 882 00:39:20,306 --> 00:39:23,400 provide , um , that missing information . 883 00:39:23,410 --> 00:39:25,650 And if they do , it'll get assigned , 884 00:39:25,650 --> 00:39:28,070 and you'll get an answer . Um , but if 885 00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:30,540 we're missing information , I believe a 886 00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:32,661 significant amount of information . I 887 00:39:32,661 --> 00:39:34,550 believe we're not gonna be moving 888 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:36,700 forward with the review . Is that 889 00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:39,320 correct ? Yeah . So let me just do a 890 00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:41,800 quick , quick overview of the time 891 00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:44,280 timeframe timeline that that that 892 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,360 happens with the cases . When you 893 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,560 submit a case to the to the inbox 894 00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:52,150 industry , request inbox , our program 895 00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:55,590 analyst , uh , takes it in . They log 896 00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:59,310 it on , they sign it . Thio our vetting 897 00:39:59,310 --> 00:40:02,410 team . Uh , and at that time , you will 898 00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:04,577 also receive an email from our program 899 00:40:04,577 --> 00:40:06,577 analysts saying , Hey , we got your 900 00:40:06,577 --> 00:40:08,790 package . It's been assigned to a 901 00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:11,040 vetting team , and it will also give 902 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,010 you kind of a time frame for data the 903 00:40:14,010 --> 00:40:17,820 middle . So it'll it'll talk about , uh , 904 00:40:17,830 --> 00:40:20,052 you know , if you get a request form or 905 00:40:20,052 --> 00:40:22,610 data , you have so many days to provide 906 00:40:22,610 --> 00:40:26,030 that data , uh , etcetera , etcetera . 907 00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:28,510 When the vetting team gets it , the 908 00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:30,621 vetting team will take a look at what 909 00:40:30,621 --> 00:40:32,780 you submitted on , at which point , 910 00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:35,600 when they get through that which 911 00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:38,380 typically is done within five working 912 00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:40,650 days or so you know , they're gonna 913 00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:43,660 they're going to send an email to you 914 00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:46,750 If , uh , they need further information 915 00:40:46,750 --> 00:40:50,020 that was not provided on Then in that 916 00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:52,252 email that you received , there will be 917 00:40:52,252 --> 00:40:53,919 a deadline for providing that 918 00:40:53,919 --> 00:40:56,580 information . One of the one of the 919 00:40:56,590 --> 00:41:00,180 things that we had issues within the 920 00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:03,150 very first go round earlier in the year 921 00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:05,750 eyes that we had a lot of these cases 922 00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:09,040 dragging out due to not getting the 923 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,207 information that was required for us . 924 00:41:11,207 --> 00:41:13,760 Thio do the analysis . 925 00:41:14,510 --> 00:41:18,370 So I wanna I wanna basically kind 926 00:41:18,370 --> 00:41:21,830 of , you know , uh , restate that 927 00:41:22,210 --> 00:41:24,850 there's not a rush to get a package in 928 00:41:24,860 --> 00:41:26,638 a zoo long as you get in before 929 00:41:26,638 --> 00:41:29,310 February 19 . So make sure that your 930 00:41:29,310 --> 00:41:31,040 package includes all of the 931 00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:33,860 documentation and data that is required 932 00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:37,730 in the F I eso . What we're going to 933 00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:40,060 do is , if you're packages missing some 934 00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:42,610 of this data , we're gonna send you une 935 00:41:42,610 --> 00:41:45,350 email requesting the information 936 00:41:45,350 --> 00:41:48,610 further . And if that data does not 937 00:41:48,610 --> 00:41:51,800 come back by the time that we requested 938 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,750 by , we're going to cancel that case , 939 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,730 Um , so we just need we want you toe , 940 00:41:57,740 --> 00:41:59,907 you know , submit as good of a package 941 00:41:59,907 --> 00:42:03,430 as you can . We are here to help you . 942 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,067 I know . That's ah , that's kind of an 943 00:42:06,067 --> 00:42:08,178 oxymoron with the government . But we 944 00:42:08,178 --> 00:42:10,289 are here to help you . We want you to 945 00:42:10,289 --> 00:42:12,800 have the best outcome . Uh , you know 946 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,320 that you can , so s so take your time . 947 00:42:16,330 --> 00:42:19,460 You know , make sure you get you know 948 00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:21,880 all the data together before you submit , 949 00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:25,400 Uh , uh , the information . Making sure 950 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,580 that your you know , the technical 951 00:42:27,580 --> 00:42:29,913 characteristics , comparison form , fit , 952 00:42:29,913 --> 00:42:32,450 function , performance . Um , making 953 00:42:32,450 --> 00:42:34,617 sure that you have unredacted invoices 954 00:42:34,617 --> 00:42:37,870 showing non governmental and users or 955 00:42:37,870 --> 00:42:41,750 purchase orders . Um , and , 956 00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:44,140 uh , make sure that you are looking at 957 00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:47,830 things on a basically a part number 958 00:42:47,830 --> 00:42:50,970 basis . Uh , I know one of the things 959 00:42:50,970 --> 00:42:54,740 that one of the things that we that we 960 00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:58,430 really need is we need to have a 961 00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:02,750 configuration that is settled 962 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,500 on that's firm so that when we do a 963 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:08,860 determination , we're basically doing 964 00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:12,030 that determination on that item itself . 965 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,630 Uh , on . So we want to make sure that 966 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,550 we have have a set configuration 967 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,230 in which the issue a determination of 968 00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:26,533 Hey , Patrick , I just wanted to 969 00:43:26,533 --> 00:43:29,410 provide one click quick clarification . 970 00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:31,450 So my original answer was based on 971 00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:34,650 industry requests , and I just wanted 972 00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:37,570 to clarify that our process for you 973 00:43:37,570 --> 00:43:39,690 know d o d customer requests is 974 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:42,430 slightly different . Um , you know , we 975 00:43:42,430 --> 00:43:45,480 we tend to get a request from , you 976 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,280 know , D o d p . CEOs , uh , toe look 977 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,580 at their program or certain 978 00:43:50,590 --> 00:43:53,500 subcontractor apart . And , you know , 979 00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:55,710 we we write a commercial item 980 00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:57,860 determination , and those 981 00:43:57,860 --> 00:44:00,070 determinations are not sent to the 982 00:44:00,070 --> 00:44:02,820 contractor . So it's on Lee the d o d . 983 00:44:03,090 --> 00:44:05,034 I'm sorry . It's only the industry 984 00:44:05,034 --> 00:44:07,620 requests where industry will find out . 985 00:44:07,620 --> 00:44:11,600 Um , what ? Our decision waas uh d o d . 986 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,090 Customer requests are only sent to the 987 00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:17,130 R . C . ideas Air only sent to the PCO . 988 00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:20,750 And we , uh , do that because we've run 989 00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:23,028 into a couple of issues and challenges . 990 00:44:23,028 --> 00:44:26,690 Um , with various programs where , you 991 00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:28,412 know , we were trying to share 992 00:44:28,412 --> 00:44:30,579 information is widely as we could with 993 00:44:30,579 --> 00:44:33,410 contractors , and it just was a problem 994 00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:36,560 with negotiations for their programs on 995 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,040 the PCO side . So we made an 996 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,150 executive decision , and that's kind of 997 00:44:43,150 --> 00:44:46,310 the reason behind why we do not share 998 00:44:46,310 --> 00:44:50,200 our d o d customer requests . See ideas 999 00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:52,930 with industry , at least for the time 1000 00:44:52,930 --> 00:44:53,930 being . 1001 00:44:57,690 --> 00:45:00,070 All right , so it looks like we're 1002 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,460 pushing up on 15 minutes left , and we 1003 00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:04,620 still have quite a few questions . So 1004 00:45:04,990 --> 00:45:08,470 as promptly as possible , If we can 1005 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,210 move out on these answers , Um , it 1006 00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:13,432 looks like I overlooked a question from 1007 00:45:13,432 --> 00:45:16,300 Brian . How long might a determination 1008 00:45:16,310 --> 00:45:19,310 be expected to take ? So , Patrick , 1009 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,810 what's the approximate turn times for a 1010 00:45:21,810 --> 00:45:23,977 commercial items determination on your 1011 00:45:23,977 --> 00:45:27,670 industry request came . So it all 1012 00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:29,840 depends on the on how much information 1013 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,173 we get . If we have all the information , 1014 00:45:32,173 --> 00:45:35,750 all the ducks in a row , we have the in 1015 00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:38,520 the very first round of the industry 1016 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,680 requests We had a case that was turned 1017 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,820 within 48 hours where we had a 1018 00:45:44,830 --> 00:45:47,580 determination actually written and sent 1019 00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:51,210 out within 48 hours all the way up . 1020 00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:54,990 Thio about 40 days . And that one 1021 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,750 was basically do thio meeting 1022 00:45:58,750 --> 00:46:00,972 further data from the contractor , uh , 1023 00:46:00,972 --> 00:46:03,410 Thio to do the determination . 1024 00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:08,770 But the timeline for these cases will 1025 00:46:08,770 --> 00:46:12,050 depend on what our workload is at the 1026 00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:14,870 time of the middle . Eso if we have , 1027 00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:18,380 ah , heavy workload of government 1028 00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:21,870 requests for determinations that might 1029 00:46:21,870 --> 00:46:24,290 slow down our timeline for for these , 1030 00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:26,610 uh , industry request determinations . 1031 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,110 All right , next question from Hunter . 1032 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,830 If a product fails to receive a sid , 1033 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,640 is the applicant allowed to apply again 1034 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,710 in the future for the same product ? 1035 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,500 I can take a stab at it . I would say 1036 00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:50,950 yes . I mean , just in general , 1037 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,360 everything is evolving , changing . We 1038 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,780 looked at a an engine for a helicopter 1039 00:46:57,780 --> 00:47:01,490 at some point in the last year . And if 1040 00:47:01,490 --> 00:47:04,620 we had looked at that product , um , 5 , 1041 00:47:04,620 --> 00:47:06,630 10 years ago , it was 100% that 1042 00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:10,040 noncommercial . No way . Know how and 1043 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,262 we ended up going commercial on it , so 1044 00:47:12,262 --> 00:47:14,373 I would say yes . I mean , it makes a 1045 00:47:14,373 --> 00:47:16,596 whole lot of sense . I would just , you 1046 00:47:16,596 --> 00:47:18,929 know , obviously read through the C i d . 1047 00:47:18,929 --> 00:47:21,096 And figure out where maybe some of our 1048 00:47:21,096 --> 00:47:23,420 hurdles were . And , you know , I think 1049 00:47:23,420 --> 00:47:26,090 that we would be open to re evaluations , 1050 00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,156 Uh , especially knowing , you know , 1051 00:47:28,156 --> 00:47:30,690 some of these , uh , some of you , all 1052 00:47:30,690 --> 00:47:33,020 the contractors you know , are trying 1053 00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:35,131 to expand in the various markets with 1054 00:47:35,131 --> 00:47:37,020 your products . And you know that 1055 00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:39,410 evolution may make it easier to hit 1056 00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:41,577 some of the commercial item definition 1057 00:47:41,577 --> 00:47:42,310 criteria . 1058 00:47:49,980 --> 00:47:52,910 All right , I'm seeing some exchange in 1059 00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:56,490 here about audio issues . Um , I know 1060 00:47:56,490 --> 00:47:58,601 that when Ryan was speaking earlier , 1061 00:47:58,601 --> 00:48:00,823 we were having a problem for those that 1062 00:48:00,823 --> 00:48:02,712 have video up . Can you give me a 1063 00:48:02,712 --> 00:48:04,990 thumbs up if you're hearing everything , 1064 00:48:04,990 --> 00:48:07,890 Okay , everybody good to go . 1065 00:48:08,570 --> 00:48:12,560 Awesome . All right . Um , we had 1066 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,350 a question in here about examples of 1067 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,820 sid packages . Um , I can respond to 1068 00:48:18,820 --> 00:48:20,876 you privately afterwards , but there 1069 00:48:20,876 --> 00:48:22,830 are examples of commercial item 1070 00:48:22,830 --> 00:48:26,010 determination on the commercial 1071 00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:28,350 acquisition resource that's on our 1072 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,250 forward facing website again . We'll 1073 00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:33,700 address those privately after the call 1074 00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:36,820 to let's see , 1075 00:48:36,830 --> 00:48:37,800 um , 1076 00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:43,670 the recent change to the commercial 1077 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:47,410 item definition under 2.1018 1078 00:48:48,070 --> 00:48:50,470 adds products , developed a private 1079 00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:52,870 expense and sold in substantial 1080 00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:56,740 quantities on a competitive basis to 1081 00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:58,580 multiple foreign governments 1082 00:49:01,170 --> 00:49:04,020 may change an existing far 15 1083 00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:07,090 determination to far 12 . Can the 1084 00:49:07,090 --> 00:49:09,960 original far 15 determination be 1085 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,880 challenged via the big 1086 00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:18,259 Can you hear me ? Okay . 1087 00:49:19,870 --> 00:49:23,470 Yeah , I'll try . Yeah . So , 1088 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,840 uh , so it's kind of right now the way 1089 00:49:25,850 --> 00:49:27,961 regulation is written , it's almost a 1090 00:49:27,961 --> 00:49:30,880 one way street where you can determine 1091 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,824 something to be commercial , which 1092 00:49:32,824 --> 00:49:35,270 allows you to use for 12 . Um , but 1093 00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:37,326 there's really nothing in regulation 1094 00:49:37,326 --> 00:49:39,159 that talks about a noncommercial 1095 00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,270 determination that would be precedent 1096 00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:43,381 setting . So if something was awarded 1097 00:49:43,381 --> 00:49:45,660 previously using far 15 non commercial 1098 00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:49,020 and any PCO , including the one in the 1099 00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:51,242 commercialism group , happened to write 1100 00:49:51,242 --> 00:49:53,464 a commercial and determination for that 1101 00:49:53,464 --> 00:49:55,576 part , that would effectively dictate 1102 00:49:55,576 --> 00:49:57,520 that for 12 would be the correctly 1103 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,353 going forward . But I think that 1104 00:49:59,353 --> 00:49:59,280 answers the question . 1105 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,727 All right , we've got another question 1106 00:50:07,727 --> 00:50:09,820 in here from Steve . Our SIDS only 1107 00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:12,080 determined on part number by part 1108 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,850 number basis . Alternatively , can a 1109 00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:17,690 product line be submitted for Sid ? 1110 00:50:19,460 --> 00:50:22,660 Okay , so , uh , yes , 1111 00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:25,340 currently , determinations were done in 1112 00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:27,507 a part number , part number of basis . 1113 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,740 We do not issue sits for family 1114 00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:35,090 apart . Nor do we issue sits 1115 00:50:35,090 --> 00:50:38,080 for a process issues . 1116 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,810 Um , these are areas of 1117 00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:46,070 discussion within the sig . Um , but 1118 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,420 currently , we're not issuing , uh , 1119 00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:52,350 Sid's on family A parts because that 1120 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,120 family could , you know , could expand . 1121 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,176 That could include other things that 1122 00:50:57,176 --> 00:50:59,640 weren't in there originally . We want 1123 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,190 to avoid that . Obviously , we've we've 1124 00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:05,190 talked about , you know , different 1125 00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:07,260 ways of kind of limiting the 1126 00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:10,850 applicability of the sid , you know , 1127 00:51:10,860 --> 00:51:14,070 going forward . But that is not 1128 00:51:14,070 --> 00:51:16,181 something that we are currently doing 1129 00:51:16,181 --> 00:51:19,520 right now . Uh , and the same for 1130 00:51:19,530 --> 00:51:23,120 technological processes like foundry 1131 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,590 services and and such like that we have 1132 00:51:26,590 --> 00:51:29,410 not , uh , we're not issuing 1133 00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:31,980 determinations on those technological 1134 00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:33,200 processes , either . 1135 00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:44,280 Okay , I'm jumping through some of the 1136 00:51:44,290 --> 00:51:47,390 audio issues here , So , um , 1137 00:51:48,660 --> 00:51:50,700 Ryan , Mike , if you guys see a 1138 00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:52,940 question in the chat that I've missed , 1139 00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:56,080 please let me know . Um 1140 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,660 all right , so it looks like the 1141 00:52:00,670 --> 00:52:04,190 question from Deborah . If invoices are 1142 00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:07,380 redacted from the subcontractor , 1143 00:52:07,850 --> 00:52:11,060 will fig engage with the subcontractor 1144 00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:14,270 to review the unredacted documents ? 1145 00:52:19,850 --> 00:52:22,670 I'll tell you , um , the answer is yes . 1146 00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:26,340 So when word I believe it , that it is 1147 00:52:26,340 --> 00:52:29,110 a a So faras industry request go 1148 00:52:29,110 --> 00:52:30,610 because the reality is the 1149 00:52:30,610 --> 00:52:34,110 subcontractor could be compiling . 1150 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,980 Uh , direct requests are group um , but 1151 00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:40,630 in terms of doing a commercial item 1152 00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:43,290 determination in support of ah d o d 1153 00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:46,220 customer , we certainly will reach out 1154 00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:49,190 to the subcontractor if we are 1155 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,367 essentially granted that authorities . 1156 00:52:51,367 --> 00:52:53,550 So we will never reach out to a 1157 00:52:53,550 --> 00:52:55,772 subcontractor without the permission of 1158 00:52:55,772 --> 00:52:58,240 the prime . Um , and that's just 1159 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,970 standard practice for our group . But 1160 00:53:00,980 --> 00:53:03,710 certainly we we are able to at least 1161 00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:05,877 requesting of that information , which 1162 00:53:05,877 --> 00:53:07,932 really does help support some of our 1163 00:53:07,932 --> 00:53:10,090 reviews . And especially if we're 1164 00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:12,680 looking at if a product has been sold 1165 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,736 or offered for sale , the unredacted 1166 00:53:14,736 --> 00:53:18,340 documents really help us see who it was 1167 00:53:18,340 --> 00:53:20,800 actually sold to . And , you know , for 1168 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,040 what amount eso we definitely will do . 1169 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,180 That is part of our review , but only 1170 00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:28,530 when the prime contractor says that we 1171 00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:28,870 can . 1172 00:53:32,850 --> 00:53:34,850 All right , I think that I've got a 1173 00:53:34,850 --> 00:53:38,850 question here for Ryan . Will services 1174 00:53:38,860 --> 00:53:40,990 incidental to a product to be 1175 00:53:40,990 --> 00:53:43,320 commercially procured by the government 1176 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,070 being considered ? I believe 1177 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,260 that this question is in reference Thio 1178 00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:52,640 Commercial services for a commercial 1179 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,570 product Got it . So I mean at least 1180 00:53:56,570 --> 00:53:58,681 assed faras it . It concerns for this 1181 00:53:58,681 --> 00:54:02,230 industry day pilot or or action 1182 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,710 E . But I don't believe we're doing 1183 00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:08,230 service . Is it the youth earlier ? Uh , 1184 00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,930 I guess out of this pilot program , Uh , 1185 00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:14,107 I'm sure we review things for services 1186 00:54:14,107 --> 00:54:16,107 all the time , but specific to this 1187 00:54:16,107 --> 00:54:18,329 initiative , I believe we're just doing 1188 00:54:18,329 --> 00:54:20,162 products , correct . So , yeah , 1189 00:54:20,162 --> 00:54:22,218 products is the is the main focus of 1190 00:54:22,218 --> 00:54:25,000 this particular effort . Uh , we did 1191 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,270 have in the in the initial phase , 1192 00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:29,492 which was also focused on products . We 1193 00:54:29,492 --> 00:54:31,326 didn't have one service that was 1194 00:54:31,326 --> 00:54:33,381 integral to the to the part that was 1195 00:54:33,381 --> 00:54:37,010 being provided on dso . We reviewed 1196 00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:39,870 that services well , But what 1197 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,030 if if it's not integral to the product , 1198 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,760 then we're not reviewing it . 1199 00:54:49,740 --> 00:54:53,370 Okay , next question from Mars . Can an 1200 00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:55,850 item still be commercial if there's 1201 00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:58,770 adequate competition ? Even if the 1202 00:54:58,780 --> 00:55:00,660 Onley user is the government , 1203 00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:11,907 I'll start . But Patrick might come in 1204 00:55:11,907 --> 00:55:14,840 after , if you want . So , um , can you 1205 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,007 Adam still be commercial ? There's out 1206 00:55:17,007 --> 00:55:19,229 of a competition , I think . Yes . Uh , 1207 00:55:19,229 --> 00:55:21,284 and I think we see this , You know , 1208 00:55:21,284 --> 00:55:23,610 all the time . The government is often 1209 00:55:23,610 --> 00:55:25,777 the only buyer on things that happened 1210 00:55:25,777 --> 00:55:27,999 to still meet the commercial definition 1211 00:55:27,999 --> 00:55:29,832 just because of the way that the 1212 00:55:29,832 --> 00:55:31,832 language is written . It allows for 1213 00:55:31,832 --> 00:55:33,832 some flexibility , you know , other 1214 00:55:33,832 --> 00:55:36,054 type thing , even things that are minor 1215 00:55:36,054 --> 00:55:38,054 modification , but specifically for 1216 00:55:38,054 --> 00:55:40,010 video . Mhm . So in those eight 1217 00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:42,490 definitions , that definitely attitude 1218 00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:45,110 Thio government being the only buyer . 1219 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,064 Oh , that item . But that said you 1220 00:55:47,064 --> 00:55:49,287 still want a marketplace for other type 1221 00:55:49,287 --> 00:55:51,453 items or a base that was modified from 1222 00:55:51,453 --> 00:55:54,490 etcetera . And so , uh , for its 1223 00:55:54,490 --> 00:55:57,640 competition is concerned the the 1224 00:55:57,730 --> 00:56:00,310 relationship between those two is , um , 1225 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,542 they're both exceptions to certify cost 1226 00:56:02,542 --> 00:56:04,487 and pricing data . Right . But you 1227 00:56:04,487 --> 00:56:06,800 still want to go commercial ? Uh , if 1228 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,022 you're doing you're buying commercial , 1229 00:56:09,022 --> 00:56:11,189 you can still have it be a competitive 1230 00:56:11,189 --> 00:56:10,970 action . I guess what I'm trying to say . 1231 00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:13,147 But commercial can also be sole source 1232 00:56:13,147 --> 00:56:15,450 to their their mutually exclusive . 1233 00:56:21,730 --> 00:56:23,952 All right , um , I have a question here 1234 00:56:23,952 --> 00:56:26,130 from Sean . Patrick . I'm gonna pitch 1235 00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:28,130 this one to you . It's a three part 1236 00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:30,297 question . So if we could do this step 1237 00:56:30,297 --> 00:56:32,408 by step , that might make it easier . 1238 00:56:32,408 --> 00:56:36,010 $800 . 800 . That 1239 00:56:36,010 --> 00:56:39,210 Z , this is in jeopardy . Sorry . Go on . 1240 00:56:39,220 --> 00:56:42,230 All right , so the first question if I 1241 00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:45,270 hire assembly has a Sid . Can you 1242 00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:48,160 consider a piece part in that assembly 1243 00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,870 as commercial ? Okay , so that's 1244 00:56:51,870 --> 00:56:53,940 Ah , that's a slightly tricky way of 1245 00:56:53,940 --> 00:56:57,630 asking that question , but ah , lot of 1246 00:56:57,630 --> 00:57:00,780 times piece parts within a higher level 1247 00:57:00,780 --> 00:57:02,669 assembly that has been determined 1248 00:57:02,669 --> 00:57:04,950 commercial could be considered 1249 00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:08,340 commercial . However , just because the 1250 00:57:08,340 --> 00:57:10,490 higher level assembly has been 1251 00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:12,212 determined commercial does not 1252 00:57:12,212 --> 00:57:15,090 necessarily in for commerciality on the 1253 00:57:15,090 --> 00:57:17,368 peace parts that make up that assembly . 1254 00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:20,900 Uh , this is especially true on those 1255 00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:23,011 items that were determined commercial 1256 00:57:23,011 --> 00:57:26,860 under a three I I modifications 1257 00:57:26,860 --> 00:57:30,460 made for government use . Uh , 1258 00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:32,960 however , if it was , if it was a 1259 00:57:32,970 --> 00:57:35,750 definition one or definition three , I , 1260 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,300 um or , you know , some 1261 00:57:39,310 --> 00:57:42,860 form along the way there , uh , then 1262 00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:45,520 Ah , lot of times , those , uh , those 1263 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,742 peace parts of those parts that make up 1264 00:57:47,742 --> 00:57:49,853 the higher level assembly most likely 1265 00:57:49,853 --> 00:57:53,440 will be commercial . But it is not a It 1266 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,830 is not a I'll say , a free pass , so to 1267 00:57:56,830 --> 00:58:00,830 speak , for those peace parts . Okay , 1268 00:58:00,830 --> 00:58:03,030 the second part of that question do we 1269 00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:05,210 need to provide a commercial assertion 1270 00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:07,720 package for a lower assembly to get a 1271 00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:11,400 Sid . So in 1272 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,330 that scenario , if you have a three II . 1273 00:58:14,340 --> 00:58:18,330 A modified item . Um , the 1274 00:58:18,340 --> 00:58:21,340 overarching assembly . The major 1275 00:58:21,340 --> 00:58:24,230 assembly is considered commercial , but 1276 00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:27,930 there's a component . Can you review it ? 1277 00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:30,230 A compote at a component level . So for 1278 00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:33,850 a lower assembly . So 1279 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,630 for whichever part you are looking for 1280 00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:38,852 commercial commercial ity determination 1281 00:58:38,852 --> 00:58:42,160 on , uh , we need to have data , uh , 1282 00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:45,370 specific to that part . So if let's say 1283 00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:49,270 you have a laptop that 1284 00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:52,600 has a stay of military hard drive or or 1285 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,730 an external hard drive or something on , 1286 00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:57,841 Let's say the whole overarching thing 1287 00:58:57,841 --> 00:59:00,890 was was a was a commercial 1288 00:59:00,890 --> 00:59:04,190 assembly of part , but you wanted 1289 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,130 specific on that hard drive that 1290 00:59:06,130 --> 00:59:08,297 external hard drive . We would need to 1291 00:59:08,297 --> 00:59:10,640 have a specific information regarding , 1292 00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:14,170 uh , that lower assembly , uh , in 1293 00:59:14,170 --> 00:59:16,950 order Thio issue a determination , 1294 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,830 and that might be a that might be a 1295 00:59:21,830 --> 00:59:24,760 quick a quick thing to do so . 1296 00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:30,030 And that just answered the third part 1297 00:59:30,030 --> 00:59:32,470 of the question . What situations would 1298 00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:35,040 have a piece part of sub assembly not 1299 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,151 getting approved for commercial ity ? 1300 00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,250 Yeah , so typically that in those types 1301 00:59:42,250 --> 00:59:45,400 of situations it is a three II type of 1302 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,320 ah commercial determination , where the 1303 00:59:49,330 --> 00:59:52,390 peace part that is that does not 1304 00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:54,501 receive a determination of commercial 1305 00:59:54,501 --> 00:59:58,010 ity is that part that was modified for 1306 00:59:58,010 --> 01:00:01,810 government use . Eyes typically , why a 1307 01:00:01,820 --> 01:00:04,350 piece part might not get approved for 1308 01:00:04,350 --> 01:00:07,190 commerciality . That's not Ah , and 1309 01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:10,520 I'll be all , uh , but that is the most 1310 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:11,650 common reason . 1311 01:00:16,810 --> 01:00:19,790 All right , we have a question from 1312 01:00:19,790 --> 01:00:23,630 Laurie . Can the big provide guidance 1313 01:00:24,110 --> 01:00:27,170 on the new rule defense ? Federal 1314 01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:29,150 acquisition regulation supplements 1315 01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:31,850 treatment of certain items as 1316 01:00:31,860 --> 01:00:33,950 commercial items . Looks like it's 1317 01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,820 DeForest case 2019 dash Delta 0 1318 01:00:37,820 --> 01:00:41,350 to 9 . Is that the code co 1319 01:00:41,350 --> 01:00:44,730 mingled . Yeah . 1320 01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:47,432 Yep . Brian , you want to go ahead with 1321 01:00:47,432 --> 01:00:49,770 that one ? Sure . I know we're kind of 1322 01:00:49,770 --> 01:00:51,992 up against it , so I'll be brief , uh , 1323 01:00:51,992 --> 01:00:54,326 so effectively , two parts to this rule , 1324 01:00:54,326 --> 01:00:56,310 uh , the co mingled part . I don't 1325 01:00:56,310 --> 01:00:58,421 think the thing will get too involved 1326 01:00:58,421 --> 01:01:00,532 with this is really just an authority 1327 01:01:00,532 --> 01:01:02,532 that allows the prime to treat , um 1328 01:01:02,532 --> 01:01:04,960 their suppliers or subcontracted items 1329 01:01:04,970 --> 01:01:07,248 as commercial treat as commercial . Uh , 1330 01:01:07,248 --> 01:01:09,414 not that they are commercial , as long 1331 01:01:09,414 --> 01:01:11,470 as they meet this definition of a co 1332 01:01:11,470 --> 01:01:13,637 mingled item , which is that they were 1333 01:01:13,637 --> 01:01:15,470 purchased in advance of specific 1334 01:01:15,470 --> 01:01:17,303 solicitation for use on multiple 1335 01:01:17,303 --> 01:01:19,710 contracts in under $10,000 apiece . So 1336 01:01:19,710 --> 01:01:21,988 it's just additional authority to help . 1337 01:01:21,988 --> 01:01:24,154 Um , you know , in my line , it's more 1338 01:01:24,154 --> 01:01:26,154 like the stock type items . And the 1339 01:01:26,154 --> 01:01:28,210 second part to this departed rule is 1340 01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:31,830 the non traditional defense contractor 1341 01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,840 language . So pretty sure you could 1342 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,673 water are 12 to a nontraditional 1343 01:01:35,673 --> 01:01:37,729 defense contractor just because they 1344 01:01:37,729 --> 01:01:39,951 were in addition Contractor , it didn't 1345 01:01:39,951 --> 01:01:42,173 need to be commercial . And this is the 1346 01:01:42,173 --> 01:01:44,396 party out of the second book ? Probably 1347 01:01:44,396 --> 01:01:46,340 that says you should go now . Uh , 1348 01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:49,080 probably not on traditional services , 1349 01:01:49,090 --> 01:01:51,430 a zoo , long as they use the same week 1350 01:01:51,810 --> 01:01:53,810 with the service as they do for non 1351 01:01:53,810 --> 01:01:57,020 government . And , um , is price in a 1352 01:01:57,020 --> 01:01:59,520 similar manner ? Those that basically 1353 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,464 the change that rolled out for the 1354 01:02:01,464 --> 01:02:02,464 first . 1355 01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:08,080 Thanks , Brian . Looks like we're 1356 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,191 starting to wrap this up for those of 1357 01:02:10,191 --> 01:02:12,191 you that are still on the call . If 1358 01:02:12,191 --> 01:02:14,191 I've missed any of your questions , 1359 01:02:14,191 --> 01:02:16,413 please feel free to enter them again at 1360 01:02:16,413 --> 01:02:18,358 the bottom . We'll get to him next 1361 01:02:18,358 --> 01:02:20,524 question from Matthew . To what extent 1362 01:02:20,524 --> 01:02:24,350 does the big value quote over invoices 1363 01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:27,820 so offers for sale over actual sales ? 1364 01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,800 I'll answer it . Um , you know , offer 1365 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,820 for sale is a huge part of the 1366 01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:40,420 definition , So I would say , um , 1367 01:02:40,430 --> 01:02:44,150 equal . I would say most of the 1368 01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:47,000 time we see actual sales and voices , 1369 01:02:47,010 --> 01:02:50,330 not quotes . But that's not to say that 1370 01:02:50,330 --> 01:02:53,480 quotes aren't . Ah , part of you know 1371 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,650 how we can get to commerciality . So , 1372 01:02:55,660 --> 01:02:57,850 uh , the important thing with offered 1373 01:02:57,850 --> 01:03:00,800 for sale is that , you know , maybe 1374 01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,900 there's more than just one quote . Also , 1375 01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:07,040 it would be beneficial if we could see 1376 01:03:07,050 --> 01:03:10,110 who the quote was to , um , you know , 1377 01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,190 again , who are we ? Who were you 1378 01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:16,300 offering this for sale to ? Was it a d 1379 01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:19,570 o d entity for d o d n use ? Or was it , 1380 01:03:19,580 --> 01:03:22,110 you know , really , just , uh , anybody 1381 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,940 eso That's kind of the important piece . 1382 01:03:24,940 --> 01:03:27,610 But maybe another supervisor has 1383 01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:30,820 something to China , but they are so 1384 01:03:30,820 --> 01:03:33,730 important . Yeah . Now , this is , 1385 01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:36,960 uh this is one of those areas that we 1386 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,260 want to make . Sure , Definitely . Both 1387 01:03:39,260 --> 01:03:42,900 can be used to show , you know , 1388 01:03:42,910 --> 01:03:44,854 commercial commercial ality or non 1389 01:03:44,854 --> 01:03:47,370 government . Uh , I'll say sales or 1390 01:03:47,370 --> 01:03:50,410 uses . However , if you are providing 1391 01:03:50,420 --> 01:03:52,587 offers , they need to make you need to 1392 01:03:52,587 --> 01:03:54,420 make sure their bona fide offers 1393 01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:57,690 something that is not just a a quote 1394 01:03:57,690 --> 01:03:59,857 without an intent to follow through if 1395 01:03:59,857 --> 01:04:03,340 they would order that part . Eso that Z 1396 01:04:03,350 --> 01:04:06,480 That's part of a That's part of the 1397 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,536 thing that we need to make sure that 1398 01:04:08,536 --> 01:04:11,490 any of the offers that if you do show 1399 01:04:11,490 --> 01:04:14,870 an offer that it is a bona fide offer 1400 01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:17,930 and not just a , uh , you know , like a 1401 01:04:17,940 --> 01:04:20,620 online , uh , 1402 01:04:21,690 --> 01:04:24,220 I'll say catalog quote , type of a 1403 01:04:24,220 --> 01:04:24,930 situation . 1404 01:04:32,790 --> 01:04:36,500 All right . Looks like 1405 01:04:36,510 --> 01:04:38,870 we may have gotten through all of the 1406 01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:40,814 questions in the chat . Do we have 1407 01:04:40,814 --> 01:04:44,610 anything else out there ? I 1408 01:04:44,610 --> 01:04:46,721 do wanna do want to kind of follow up 1409 01:04:46,721 --> 01:04:50,030 on one of the questions that was asked 1410 01:04:50,030 --> 01:04:53,100 about the endgame of the determinations 1411 01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:56,900 eso As a result of this current effort 1412 01:04:56,910 --> 01:04:59,680 that we're running here , the 1413 01:04:59,690 --> 01:05:02,300 contractor would receive the commercial 1414 01:05:02,300 --> 01:05:06,190 determination or if it was assessed as 1415 01:05:06,190 --> 01:05:08,190 non commercial , they would receive 1416 01:05:08,190 --> 01:05:10,850 that non commercial assessment . Aziz 1417 01:05:10,850 --> 01:05:14,340 Well , explaining why we did not find 1418 01:05:14,350 --> 01:05:18,110 three item to be commercial , uh and 1419 01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,176 yeah , that could run the gamut of , 1420 01:05:20,176 --> 01:05:22,398 you know , missing data or whatever the 1421 01:05:22,398 --> 01:05:24,110 situation may be . So 1422 01:05:29,690 --> 01:05:32,300 all right , I will say to that , um , 1423 01:05:32,310 --> 01:05:34,820 just to kind of reiterate what Patrick 1424 01:05:34,820 --> 01:05:37,160 and Mike and Ryan have all said , um , 1425 01:05:37,170 --> 01:05:40,360 if you have questions specific to your 1426 01:05:40,370 --> 01:05:43,980 to your package , please submit a 1427 01:05:43,980 --> 01:05:47,510 request to the to the inbox X first 1428 01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:49,566 contradictory sounds . We really are 1429 01:05:49,566 --> 01:05:52,620 here to help . We want as many industry 1430 01:05:52,620 --> 01:05:54,570 packages to be as successful as 1431 01:05:54,580 --> 01:05:57,440 possible . So don't hesitate to send a 1432 01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,760 question and through the inbox . And 1433 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,200 with that , I'm gonna say thank you , 1434 01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,100 toe everyone who participated . Um , 1435 01:06:05,110 --> 01:06:08,070 thank you very much to our panel who 1436 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,247 provided answers to some of these very 1437 01:06:10,247 --> 01:06:13,200 complex and difficult questions . Um , 1438 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,422 and then also one last time . Thank you 1439 01:06:15,422 --> 01:06:18,350 very much to Michelle and Chris and de 1440 01:06:18,350 --> 01:06:21,080 au for hosting this event for us . We 1441 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,000 appreciate all of your feedback . We 1442 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,167 look forward to doing many of these in 1443 01:06:26,167 --> 01:06:27,944 the future and hope that we can 1444 01:06:27,944 --> 01:06:29,722 continue to provide support and 1445 01:06:29,722 --> 01:06:32,110 assistance wherever you guys need it . 1446 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,180 So with that , I'm going to turn it 1447 01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:36,069 over to Patrick to close out this 1448 01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:38,291 session and again , thank you guys very 1449 01:06:38,291 --> 01:06:42,160 much . Okay . Yeah . I 1450 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,320 want to thank everyone for calling in 1451 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,220 and dialing in and webbing in . 1452 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,900 It's been it's been good . Uh , 1453 01:06:50,910 --> 01:06:52,743 definitely . If you have further 1454 01:06:52,743 --> 01:06:56,010 questions , shoot a email to our 1455 01:06:56,020 --> 01:06:59,590 industry request inbox there . Uh , 1456 01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,930 Ryan put it into a chat . It's also on 1457 01:07:01,930 --> 01:07:05,790 our public website on . 1458 01:07:05,790 --> 01:07:07,957 We will get to those questions as soon 1459 01:07:07,957 --> 01:07:10,060 as we can on then . 1460 01:07:10,070 --> 01:07:13,580 Uh , yeah , it's 1461 01:07:13,590 --> 01:07:15,740 like like everyone has said where we 1462 01:07:15,740 --> 01:07:19,100 are here to try and , uh , you know , 1463 01:07:19,100 --> 01:07:21,550 gets you a positive outcome on your 1464 01:07:21,550 --> 01:07:24,430 submittal . So if you have , if you 1465 01:07:24,430 --> 01:07:26,750 have questions , you know , we're gonna 1466 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,890 we're gonna try and work with you , but 1467 01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:32,178 yeah , definitely . Look at the notice . 1468 01:07:32,178 --> 01:07:34,400 Look at the required documentation . If 1469 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,456 you have questions on something that 1470 01:07:36,456 --> 01:07:38,850 we're requiring shooters and emails and 1471 01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:41,910 ask a question , Uh , no question is , 1472 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,860 uh , it's stupid . So , um , 1473 01:07:45,870 --> 01:07:48,870 you know , just , uh , shoot us 1474 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,210 shooters what you have . And , uh , 1475 01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:53,387 we'll get you the best answer we can . 1476 01:07:54,980 --> 01:07:56,924 Well , Patrick , let's make this a 1477 01:07:56,924 --> 01:08:00,120 habit . Let's get together more often . 1478 01:08:00,130 --> 01:08:02,074 You just let us know when you have 1479 01:08:02,074 --> 01:08:04,340 another bright idea and we'll , uh , 1480 01:08:04,350 --> 01:08:06,810 we'll host the platform and we'll share 1481 01:08:06,820 --> 01:08:09,400 so good for you . This was fabulous 1482 01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:11,760 conversation . Thanks for doing this . 1483 01:08:11,770 --> 01:08:15,570 Thanks , Michelle . Okay , everybody , 1484 01:08:15,580 --> 01:08:19,170 good luck . Have a wonderful holiday 1485 01:08:19,170 --> 01:08:20,820 and we'll see you next time